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“If I waste their time, people are going to see me as a bad leader. Because that’s where they’re experiencing you.” — Evan Unger
Join Niiamah (@niiamahashong) and Evan Unger for a conversation that will permanently change how you lead every meeting, conversation, and collaboration. Evan breaks down the POPRA framework, the five-part model that separates leaders who command rooms from ones who waste everyone’s time. From managing HIPPOs to landing the plane right, this episode is your playbook for running conversations that actually move things forward.
Timestamps:
00:00 Evan’s career origin story
03:10 The pandemic pivot moment
06:00 How meetings destroy organizations
09:43 POPRA framework introduced
12:00 Full POPRA breakdown
17:00 POPRA applies everywhere
22:00 Managing HIPPOs in meetings
26:00 Landing the plane matters
30:00 Change agents and leadership style
35:15 Evan’s advice for young outliers
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